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Have the information printed out so you have your ammunition. There is no rule saying you cant change clinics. I’m just really scared they’ll try to kill my dog. If your skin wasn’t broken, wash the area with warm water and soap. He came back MORE than adequate protection. Hi all, My 11 yr old westie had a bad allergic/digestive reaction to hi 6 mo. Ridiculous. This fear, instilled by two supposed authorities, prompted a visit with Sam in my clinic. Dr. Falconer, and who else? Here’s what I’d do to keep your chances high of not losing your best friend in a dog bite scenario: That sage advice, given daily by sergeant Phil Esterhaus of Hill St. Blues, is useful when you’re daring to question authority for the good health of your animal. He was protecting his yard, which was way down a marked, “dead end” road, and a stranger was trespassing despite the private property warning. I also now have a non-vaccinated Scotty puppy who was with her mother until 12 weeks old. Okay, so what are our choices? If your dog is a known aggressor, or has a cranky side, keep him in close control at all times in public. You also should assess the wound to determine the severity. So we took him to the only vet open at that time of night (they called 4pm, so by the time we argued and they threatened us, only one was still open). What do you think of that plan? Lot of complications to deal with and a big dollop of ignorance on the part of your local health dept. An additional injection of rabies immune globulin is also required as part of the treatment. You were lucky, over the years I have gone to urgent care on 2 occasions because of a dog bite, both times the wound was showing signs of infection and I knew I needed antibiotics. As it stands, does “current” paperwork mean rabies every three years? It has thoughtful articles and Tasty Tips that only go out to our members. Thank you. I drove her straight to the doctors and I called Tammy on the way. I didn’t realize he was vaccinated by them and he got vaccinated when I adopted him in Nov 2016 at the appointment to get his heartworm meds. It also goes on to say advanced age is not grounds for waiver to be given…, My 5 yr old and I came home and my husband told us that our neighbor Tammy and her son Sam had just dropped by to see us. Look for an AAHA accredited hospital. After all her dog is up to date and it is a one tooth puncture wound. Can I prepare her before and treat after a vaccination to protect her? I told her that I had no choice but to get medical care because it was now infected and I needed her shot records showing that he was “up-to-date” on his rabies shot (I knew the doctor would require because they would be reporting it to the Health Department). His owner died, and a woman across the street who had four or five Persians herself, took the cat to adopt it out to someone. The actual test is RFFIT-Rabies Antibody Endpoint, and KSU’s fee is $65. That, and preventing skirmishes should get you by without much cost or risk. So, unless I’m not recognizing your name, I don’t think I prescribed for this cat and if I did, certainly not thuja 200C daily. Great info! I was at work when it happened so I was not there to protect Nick from the gestapo Animal Control people who seized him and euthanized him almost immediately. Still intrigues me how this is possible, but readers are saying it is, so I believe them. Best of luck, Taylor. There is no proof that more than one vaccination is needed. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH!! After an event I give up walking for a while and they start getting fat and lazy and that’s not good for them either. Thanks for any help -Worried. 4. copy of statute or rabies law in current county/state – with highlighted portions Some bites barely break the skin; others are deadly serious. It sounds like a sad “perfect storm” that took his life. She has 3 females and I was always told you shouldn’t have more than 1 queen in the house. If your doctor prescribes antibiotics for you, you’ll probably take them for 1 to 2 weeks. My dog bit someone in my property, she has been vaccinated for rabies, but outdated. I went to the doctor (because pregnant and worried that i needed a tetanus shot which I got) and they had to file with animal control. Knowledge and information is great ammunition to have at hand should a bite occur. Left untreated, it can lead to death within a few days of infection. It took a long time, but it eventually removed most of the symptoms. This will help flush out germs. Our dog was so afraid of the people and the commotion that he showed his bad side and he is no longer with us because we were forced to go to a vet rather than do a home quarantine. Specifically the wording that the vaccine is NOT contraindincated in most immunocomprimised animals. It’s uncommon in the United States where vaccines are routinely provided to children. Thanks for the head’s up and the ammunition! This is amazing, coming from the AVMA! My 5 yr old was excited to have a visitor but sad that she had missed them. This last stage of rabies signs in dogs will include the paralysis phase. You swallow hard, and the boy’s screams recede as your ultimate fear begins wailing like a siren: “Will they euthanize Sheba and cut off her head to check for rabies?? It can infect all warm-blooded mammals, including humans. It also makes sense to “let sleeping dogs lie,” and to never disturb a dog that’s eating or caring for puppies. Let me know what to do. This is cheap dog bite prevention that costs only vigilance and a good leash on your part. Roxanne gets the credit for this one: Print out and keep a copy of the Compendium with you, along with your rabies vaccination certificate and titer results. Sure, Ellen. Had I known they fight,I would’ve insisted the jealous 1 be in her crate. Required fields are marked *. If a dog bite tears the skin, it can cause scarring to occur. Hi, Cathy. Trust companies with LABORATORIES who test their product and above all else: look for a food that is “COMPLETE AND BALANCED FOR ALL LIFE STAGES.” That is allllll you need to read on a bag of pet food! The question I had for you is about your suggestions for homeopathics for vaccine induced distemper. NO PART OF THIS WEBSITE OR ANY OF ITS CONTENTS MAY BE REPRODUCED, COPIED, MODIFIED OR ADAPTED, WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE AUTHOR. Food for thought! Whether the dog is yours or someone else’s, you may feel shaken after being bitten. Read this and be prepared, folks. That’s not how I work. That was the message from two different vets in town, and it was stated strongly and authoritatively. Post-exposure rabies prophylaxis (PEP) is compulsory if you are bitten by a dog, cat or other animal that is rabid or is suspected to be infected with rabies. The question on everyone’s lips will be, “Is she up to date on her rabies shots?”. He has trust issues and the first time he bit me was early in our relationship (7-8 years ago.) URL of AVMA Rabies Waiver policy: https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Pages/Annual-Rabies-Vaccination-Waiver.aspx Best to get your ducks in a row PRIOR to any issues. Plus, we live in Oak Hill and have Squirrel, Rats and Bunnies, which she chases if she sees them before we do. Hi Dr Falconer, There is a vast difference in the protocol of how to treat clients with up-to-date vaccinations versus clients without u-t-d vaccination. And finally, it’s important for everyone reading this to know that the dog being “out of date” on rabies vaccines has nothing to do with the determination of whether or not a bitten person gets recommended to get PEP (post exposure prophylaxis). Will they try to arrest you for being wise about this? a. AVMA update that waivers are sometimes necessary If these sound like rabies symptoms, you’re on the same page with me. Although very few people develop rabies in the US, there are at least 40,000 to 50,000 rabies postexposure treatments (human rabies immune globulin plus a set of four rabies shots) given each year. A Disturbed Mom in Florida. The previous owner died before I could get her vaccination records. Read the Compendium to be certain, but I’m pretty certain that’s true. I found the folder with all his 2016 records last year. And then, speak confidently that more vaccines are not something you will be giving your already-vacc’d pup. If they have teeth, and normal nervous function, they can bite. Together, we can change the world, one Vital Animal at a time! Tammy then goes and puts the dog in the crate and comes back to check on my child. If it cannot be determined whether or not the animal that bit someone was rabid, they just assume that it was and administer the vaccination. For repeat dog bite, only two doses of anti rabies Vaccine are to be given on day 0 and 3, whatever is the interval from primary vaccination. In the quote above it says, “Any stray or unwanted pet…” Laws are specific to the verbage. At the time a rabid animal bites you, there's no way to know whether the animal has transmitted the rabies virus to you. I have proof of past vaccinations for him and will also titer and arm myself with the ammo mentioned above. Thanks so much Dr. Falconer! True prevention means thinking outside the box and taking responsibility for your animal yourself. It’s often published by the CDC (Centers for Disease Control, Atlanta, USA). Thanks so much!! Dr. Whitecoat strikes again. I got bit 2 weeks ago by a friends dog and finally found out today,the vaccines are not up to date so yes I will now have to have painful rabies shots in my stomach over the next two weeks. He had never eaten bait drops. If you go to the home page, I believe you will find a link to homeopathic vets located in your area. He’s been in Phenobarbital for the past 4 years and it’s affecting his liver. We in homeopathic veterinary practice see it daily. We explain this fear of dogs and how you can treat the condition. Would you include the link to the AVMA page that you use please? http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/publichealth/oph_standards/docs/rabies_prevention.pdf Although it doesn’t appear to reference lapsed vaccinations, it offers background and details low-risk (family pet) vs high-risk (bats, foxes). Before the U.S. government made dog vaccinations mandatory starting in the 1950s, there were several hundred deaths each years from rabies contracted from dog bites … The only way to tell whether a wild animal has rabies is to test its brain. Keep in mind that not only is it too late for my daughter if this dog is in fact infected with rabies from this dog bite but even if she did get approved for PEP which is not even up to me, her mother but some state health official they do NOT know how the PEP Rabies treatment effects children. What to Do if Someone Else’s Dog Bites You If the dog’s owner is present, then share names and contact numbers so you can get proof of rabies vaccination from them. Whether the dog is suspected to have rabies. Nick was up to date!! I have a beagle mix, Barney, who on the way home from his 3rd rabies shot had a seizure in the car. He was a dog who had to be constantly monitored, kept on a short leash with a shock collar to be used if he started getting crazy. Can anyone out there share any info that might be helpful? International travel: every country you go to will have immutable rules that you must follow to get in. I declined. Also avoid roughhousing or playing aggressively with dogs, including those you know. The tetanus shot doesn’t provide lifelong protection. Once a person is infected, there is not much a doctor can do to treat it. That’s where the long term immune memory is stored. Read more about types of bites, symptoms, and treatments. But if … That’s exactly what happened to my patient Buddy, a couple years back. There’s absolutely no basis in immunology for annual rabies vaccination. The first dose of the vaccine should be administered within the first 24 hours after exposure. She hesitated and then said well according to his certificate he is over do but he is fine. The head of the rabies program said they are most likely to quarentine the animal, if its behaving rationally and with a responsible owner. I give it before and after the shot, so far so good. There doesn’t need to be a family history to have chronic disease outcomes after a vaccination. Any stray or unwanted dog, cat, or ferret that bites a person may be euthanized immediately by an animal health professional and the head should be submitted for rabies testing. Learn about symptoms in cats and humans, and get facts on…. My question is about puppies. If you want them, contact me through my Contact page, subject line Nosodes Please. Dr. Falconer, I am not sure what to do. I adopted the cat. We hope you'll join us inside. Here’s what the Compendium states from the same paragraph referenced above: Any stray or unwanted dog, cat, or ferret that potentially exposes a person to rabies may be euthanized immediately and the head submitted for rabies examination.”. Since we had to go back to the same vet, that’s what we did. I am thinking of getting another Westie, but without all the shots and vaccinations. Yes. My only concern is that I like to travel to the US with them and haven’t been able to do so without “current” paperwork. I lived in Europe until recently and travelled internationally with my westie all the time with only a rabies titer paper. The really horrible thing was that Nick was up to date on Rabies shots, there was no reason for them to even remove him in the first place. I wrote about that further here. While I don’t see the words “unvaccinated” in this section, I think it may be safe to assume you’ll not have much shelter from the law if your unvaccinated animal bites a person. I thought we were past the trust issues but tonight he bit me twice when I entered the room – puncturing the skin above my left ankle and drawing blood at my right knee. These germs can cause bacterial infections if the dog bite breaks the skin. You can also apply an antibacterial lotion to the area as a precaution. This can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections to occur when left untreated. The blood can be mailed into Hemopet or the lab doing the titer test. Yet another example of ignorant people making life and death decisions. She will say in writing that the dog is adequately or more than adequately protected. Here’s what I do because we visit the public space (dog parks, walks to market) daily. Do you have any suggestions? I understand all of this as our free health-care” is big business and why should they pay. Duration of Immunity and Rabies Vaccination. Thanks for this excellent but scary article. Call your healthcare provider for guidance in reporting the attack and to determine whether additional treatment, such as antibiotics, a tetanus booster, or rabies vaccine is needed. If you are reading this consider this a warning from a legal standpoint – get your pet vaccinated if you want to be sure that you will not be sued should your dog bite someone. Your vet will charge for drawing and shipping the blood sample. I told Tammy that I understand it was an “accident” and that I would do whatever I could to not take her for medical care. Also, for the love of your pet do NOT feed blue buffalo. By day 4 of this nightmare, I now understand why people sue over a simple “dog bite.” Your puppy most likely doesn't have it because it would have to have been bitten by a rabid animal first. You are controlled by forces greater than I can help you with. Around 1 in 5 dog bites require medical treatment. Immunologists, is that who he said? My dog was not up to date the other dog was. Without it, your dog could be quarantined or taken by animal control—and you can be cited. I’ll file civil suit since the county voted not to allow animal euthanization even for animals that bite repeatedly. It’s as if rabies is affecting everyone’s clear thinking, much as it clouds that of the rabid animal, causes him to “lose his mind” and bite unthinkingly. It bled profusely and someone warned me to get a tetanus shot, but I didn’t go to a Dr or get a tetanus shot and I was fine. On top of that, he is a very intelligent, vibrant, enthusiastic well behaved family pet but the reality is that he is a GSD and there are loads of pre and misconceptions about the breed. I’ve often stated the importance of keeping good records to prove your animal is rabies vaccinated, even if that vaccination is considered “out of date” by official types. One of my dogs years ago had a reaction which destroyed her immune system, 7 years ago I switched all my dogs to a raw diet against my vets advice and stopped vaccinating. But these things usually happen so fast and I’m walking two dogs at the same time. The WHO also reports that millions of people each year receive vaccinations after dog bites, preventing hundreds of thousands more deaths. The Vaccine ruined his Heath for life. Oh my God. Cytopoint: High Tech Answer to Your Itchy Dog? Compendium of Animal Rabies Prevention and Control, http://www.ksvdl.org/rabies-laboratory/rffit-tests/, http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/publichealth/oph_standards/docs/rabies_prevention.pdf, https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Pages/Annual-Rabies-Vaccination-Waiver.aspx, http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/specific_groups/veterinarians/potential_exposure.html, https://my.vitalanimal.com/p/vital-animal-pack. Appropriate medical care can help you minimize the chances of long-term health problems due to a dog bite. Since then my dog made a full recovery that was a long road. s, The other problem/risk with not vaccinating is the occasional rabid animal, usually a skunk or a raccoon that could cross your path. Hi Shama, it sounds like the proof is riskier than you care to have, isn’t it? Oh, you’re most welcome, Sandra. Who ever thougt “1 and done” when it comes to vaccines has no business taking an animal into their home. (SOURCE: Compendium Part 1(A.)(10.)) Gently press a clean cloth over the wound to stop the flow of blood. It may sound trite or “woo woo” even, but your expectations and fears will often bring you into the line of sight of what you fear most. Thank you for taking the time to post the lovely pictures of nature in your newsletter. Mom’s immunity runs out at a certain point. That is what I was thinking. Long before panic like this sets in, it’s a good idea to have your rabies ducks in a row. Dog bites can be scary and, when left untreated, can also cause serious complications. Her previous owner died before I could get them. If the dog is unaccompanied, ask anyone who witnessed the attack if they’re familiar with the dog and know where the owner lives. Ten years is the presumed duration, one has sufficient immunity. I generally take expiry dates with a grain of salt. This diversity also means a variety of different health conditions among the different…, Owning a pet can be a rewarding experience for a child. Should I play it safe and just go get the shots? That was back in 2002 in a different county. Betty H., Chicago, IL. That “won’t guarantee every officer’s response” is just what I’m suggesting everyone be ready for. You’ll need to be smarter (and quicker!) My husband has a dog from before we were married who has established himself as a biter. Look at the hell this is putting my family through! Treat the wound as noted above. I doubt they even looked for that. I’m planning on getting the titer, since we’ve been out in the woods a couple of summers now, where she could have picked up immunity. This is a bite from a badly behaved dog who got interrupted while fighting with another dog. Both were vaccinated the first three and five years of their lives so it’s my belief they should be covered. Surely you can see they are not going to help you or protect your from a disease that’s not there. Rabies is only deadly if the dog already has it. Do not get duped by their false advertising. He then couriers it to hemopet (this is Jean Dodd’s clinic). If he has been vaccinated, then he shouldn't carry the virus. Might have to do with our Mexican border, but we had quite an epidemic wash through Austin 4-5 years ago. Suddenly, all the justification of why she bit this obnoxious kid fades. Avoidance of unnecessary regulatory medicine makes perfect sense to me, especially if you see the bites as part of expected behavior. I lied to animal control and said that it was a dog I met while out walking b/c I didn’t want it on my dogs record. Any titer showing = immunity established. I asked her about the dogs vaccinations and she said he was “up to date.” Because she said the dog was up to date I did not take my child to the ER that night. 1. last rabies certificate (out of date) You can take the presence of any titer to mean that it’s highly likely there’s a long term immunity that will be “awakened” suddenly upon exposure to the disease agent. I find this ridiculously over priced possibly to discourage you from going a different route. Don’t know what to do. I would like to know where to have a titer done since I do not know any holistic vets in my neck of the woods. Titers and Heartworm check, and NO rabies vaccination (this is supposedly her year for the shot). Good stuff, everybody. You can contract cat scratch fever from cats infected with Bartonella henselae bacteria. We did annual titers in Europe, cost was about $65. print out the form for rabies titer. After I’m done, and eaten dinner, I might get a call. To vaccinate and do possible harm and worry about that, or don’t vaccinate and worry about that. If it is, do I need to give him a different homeopathic? If you don’t have someone you can trust or who’s willing to do what you ask for, it may be time to interview a few more before taking your pocketbook out to vote again. I’ve only had this happen 2 times in the past 10 years….a raccoon and a squirrel, it wasn’t pretty. How about giving Homeopathic Lessin at time of shot? That’s based on good work done on autism cures from the people who followed Dr. Tinus Smits’ work, aka CEASE therapy. According to the Compendium: Rabies has one of the highest case-fatality ratios of any infectious disease. Most rabies infections worldwide result from dog bites. These instances usually occur in more rural areas… That’s not likely if the animal was a pet dog or cat in the United States, thanks to laws requiring rabies vaccinations for those companion animals (and … Severe scarring, or scars which occur in visible areas such as the face, can be reduced through medical techniques such as grafting or plastic surgery. Euthanized just like that? I suspect they are not significantly different. 4) Have titers done in the hope that your town will accept them? No - if the puppy had rabies, the puppy would be dead quickly. I’d have fought for Nick and gotten him back, instead of watching my kids cry over his untimely end. If you notice signs of infection, see your doctor right away. The rabies vaccine is an injection given to help prevent rabies. Also, a titer should not cost you more than $75. I’ve avoided the”suit’s” all this time and they finally got me today so I had to fill out the dog bite report with the health unit. Your email address will not be published. Taking rabies vaccination without being bitten by an animal is the same as taking vaccination when you were bitten by a non rabid animal. Hi Helen, Dog bites also can cause medical problems that aren’t immediately obvious, such as rabies. What is the rabies vaccine? I live in spain with my lovely gsd cross rescue dog and am totally anti the annual rabies shot they state is a legal requirement. In some instances, you’ll be able to administer first aid to yourself. Dogs that are bred for personality are less apt to bite than dogs that are bred indiscriminately You may need oral or intravenous antibiotics. The public safety comes FIRST. Rabies virus antibody titers are indicative of a response to vaccine or infection. When did you come through the US border with only a titer? We, too, live in Ontario and have travelled many times to the U.S. Our experience over the past eight years has been that the request for rabies docs is completely random; we’ve crossed often without being asked for any proof. First, you are smarter than your health department, from the sounds of it: this was highly likely NOT a bite because of rabies. It could be a problem if you were bitten or the dog was bitten…..and either of you needed treatment. Follow up with an application of antibacterial lotion and cover with a sterile bandage. Kelli, it’s most important, for your peace of mind, to order a rabies titer test. Wow, several thoughts. 3) Find a homeopathic or traditional vet that will agree with you that your dog meets the requirements for a medical waiver, and will sign it. Join our free Vital Animal® Pack to get more! http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/specific_groups/veterinarians/potential_exposure.html DONT WORRY ABOUT WHAT IS IN YOUR PETS FOOD, WORRY ABOUT WHAT IT LACKS! My dogs last rabies shot was 17 months ago. Our regular vet does practice some homeopathy and is not a typical “whitecoat” and is not averse to giving medical notes where warranted, and tries to deal with the system while looking out for her patients and maintaining her professional integrity. Therefore, evidence of circulating rabies virus antibodies should not be used as a substitute for current vaccination in managing rabies exposures or determining the need for booster vaccinations in animals.” Which is good but I have no feeling in my little and ring fingers. He was up to date on his rabies because the shelter had made sure of it. I have a problem on my hands, my 1 yr and 5 month old dog and I were playing with a toy and he accidentally bit my hand when he bit onto the toy. I have been asked for them on the way back into Canada more than on my way to the U.S. So there’s really nothing I can do to prepare her before and treat after a vaccination to protect her? 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